'Networks provide adaptability, innovation, and robustness through distribution. Hierarchies provide coordination, efficiency, and scale through organisation.'
I'm on the fence with this esc. Forest systems which had stability for aeons did not really have hierarchy in this sense. The mutual exchanges between organisms created the efficiencies and expanded scale as a result.
I still see the current predator (mediating) class/group as 'nature' or a part of nature because they see system exploits as food just like any other energy/resource harvesting unit. They are a forest fire. Consuming stored energy very quickly. Our task as I see it is to bring as many minds awareness of the situation so they can survive as seeds to resprout after the orgy of consumption.
I dunno. It's all very perplexing but I'm excited to follow your line of thought to see where you take me.
fair point - forests don’t 'choose' hierarchy, it was more meant as natural layers that emerge on their own (soil → plants → canopy), not command-and-control - could have been more clear
Yeah. I understand. It's this command economy that seems to arise from hegemonic power through resource concentration but then again there is a replication system in indigenous cultures that potentially suffocated innovation and ended up having a command effect. Dude. Your work is f'ing incredible. Glad I found you in the haystack and not a needle.
Could you answer my question about Spiral Dynamics please, ESC? You've written about it specifically in the past and I hear some of the language repeated often in your work--this notion about 'include and transcend' for example, which seems to extend from the two organizational models you're discussing here.
I was really interested in this when I first came across it through the work of Don Beck and listened to many hours of lectures, this was many years ago. One thing I could not get an answer to, which seemed to me to be deliberately ignored, was the notion that we 'in the West' had transcended Beige. This appears very illusive to me--how have we transcended it exactly? Living 'paycheck to paycheck' has simply replaced 'living hand to mouth' of the so-called undeveloped world. Take away the paycheck and folks here still can't feed themselves, so how exactly has Beige been 'transcended' in the modern world?
without being aware of the text in question - as far as im concerned the colours aren't really 'stages of consciousness,' but stages of compliance.
what’s presented as 'beige transcendence' in your text probably relates to those who casually accept it on face value when crooks call, say, an alleged 'pandemic' on very little legit evidence.
(in fairness, 'compliance' is probably too simplistic a term as it relates to carrying out orders as well as having other people carry out your 'adopted' will)
And what about the 'compliance' of 'crooks' who mean well? Thinking of Beck and the many global leaders he influenced, like Mandela. Perhaps Mandela was a crook, but did Beck know this? I don't take Beck as a crook, but perhaps a compliant idealist.
I suppose it's irrelevant, but still, it helps me to understand this architecture of control by relating it to people and situations I am personally familiar with. Some of the compliant learned from the Convid, but most did not, still. I think 'consensus trance' is apt, but that would assume when the consensus shifts, the trance will shift with it. This seems like a moral failing to me, but as you've written which is in line with Spiral Dynamics model as I understand it, is the morality shifts with the meme. My morality is already passe, along with the next tier's, having been 'transcended', but not included.
There is really much of interest in your writings, but I am afraid that you underestimate "the system": it's not rational, but criminal. Marx was wrong, but Bogdanov too: its not industrial capitalist, resp. administrators etc, its the criminal 500 year old project by financial capitalist organized by a few dynastic families, to own and exploit the planet as their Farm Earth. For the burden of proof see my book and articles.
I believe these administrators are the tool of these criminals but seeing their technique is astounding. The clearinghouse model esc has shown bears a direct line from Rothschild
Yes Rothschild, is a ‘clearinghouse’ structure also, they underwrite/ insure banks, more than administer them, keeping the risk/ overheads low. Just a little family business y’know
Lawlessness is indeed the nature of using structures of service as means for control.
The progressive growth of which is the obverse to the faith invested in structure as control that we see as social, economic, political and scientific development.
Insider leverage by stealth is itself running as if a 'mind of its own'.
I got a lot from The Lost Science Of Money ~ The Mythology Of Money : The Story Of Power by Stephen A. Zarlenga
Removing all the accounting rules ,laws and acts like Glass-Steagall ,Anti-Trust ETC. just mite have changed and sped up the time table for collapse,,,,,,,, primary entities buying and selling stock market indices, causing the stock market moves, are the individuals who control the economy,Blackrock ETC. including the Federal Reserve. These entities profit from market volatility and manipulate stock prices to maintain volatility, even when the country's economic situation might be stable. They invest when prices rise, causing them to go up further, and withdraw when prices fall, making the markets crash. Additionally, mainstream financial media is controlled to trigger rumors and crises at will, generating panic and bringing about crashes
here are some ideas to implement locally as we dismiss this fraudulent system for good: ‘’An Alternative Approach to Well-Being’’
SCOPE
Effective healing modalities and approaches to health and well-being exist, while numerous local communities remain afflicted with the costs of ‘learned hopelessness and helplessness’. Co-op Lab is a process where local people can unfold the common desire for health and well-being through the power of cooperation. By choosing to exchange their skills, time and knowledge in projects with like-mind folk - ‘’birds-of-a-feather’’ - they create social value by providing local services better and cheaper.
In effect, members embrace the power of co-operation as a mission arising from shared vision and values. This new mindset supports balanced, creative exchanges between local people. So, the structure of a new ‘Market-Space’ is formed, founded on mutual trust, common sense and real values. A platform where stress can reduce as enjoyment unfolds from clarity of purpose to support individual and collective healing.
OPERATION
The Co-op Lab process unfolds as networks of private member associations form local hub guilds to provide and deliver local goods and services. Placing ‘’well-being’’ as the ‘’main attraction’’, ensures common ground for the process to unfold with local ‘community champions’ combining their expertise in executive and non-executive Boards.
Of course, this form of local joint venture requires analysis, discussion and agreement to unfold a working model as ideas and resources are pooled in service to local needs and aspirations. Key operational issues relate to:
• assembling the local ‘champions’ - ‘Board’ members with non-executive support
• producing an operational financial model for labour, materials and equipment
• identifying lines of supply, demand and distribution for goods and services
• developing business plans and prospectuses for support and investment
• agreeing to follow parallel critical paths to unfold core strategic needs:
◦ expand services for well-being across inter-related hub guild pma networks
◦ identify all labour, materials, equipment and funding requirements en route
◦ ensure relevant media and marketing resources are available in support
◦ provide ‘think-and-do tank’ teams for essential research and development
◦ develop the Co-op Lab platform incrementally into a collective ‘Market-Space’
PRODUCING A BUSINESS PLAN & PROSPECTUS TO PROVE CONCEPT
• contractual terms as the basis for a co-operative hub guild network:
◦ quality control and provision of space for production and distribution
◦ local producers, suppliers, consultants tutors, students and consumers
'Networks provide adaptability, innovation, and robustness through distribution. Hierarchies provide coordination, efficiency, and scale through organisation.'
I'm on the fence with this esc. Forest systems which had stability for aeons did not really have hierarchy in this sense. The mutual exchanges between organisms created the efficiencies and expanded scale as a result.
I still see the current predator (mediating) class/group as 'nature' or a part of nature because they see system exploits as food just like any other energy/resource harvesting unit. They are a forest fire. Consuming stored energy very quickly. Our task as I see it is to bring as many minds awareness of the situation so they can survive as seeds to resprout after the orgy of consumption.
I dunno. It's all very perplexing but I'm excited to follow your line of thought to see where you take me.
fair point - forests don’t 'choose' hierarchy, it was more meant as natural layers that emerge on their own (soil → plants → canopy), not command-and-control - could have been more clear
Yeah. I understand. It's this command economy that seems to arise from hegemonic power through resource concentration but then again there is a replication system in indigenous cultures that potentially suffocated innovation and ended up having a command effect. Dude. Your work is f'ing incredible. Glad I found you in the haystack and not a needle.
Could you answer my question about Spiral Dynamics please, ESC? You've written about it specifically in the past and I hear some of the language repeated often in your work--this notion about 'include and transcend' for example, which seems to extend from the two organizational models you're discussing here.
I was really interested in this when I first came across it through the work of Don Beck and listened to many hours of lectures, this was many years ago. One thing I could not get an answer to, which seemed to me to be deliberately ignored, was the notion that we 'in the West' had transcended Beige. This appears very illusive to me--how have we transcended it exactly? Living 'paycheck to paycheck' has simply replaced 'living hand to mouth' of the so-called undeveloped world. Take away the paycheck and folks here still can't feed themselves, so how exactly has Beige been 'transcended' in the modern world?
What am I missing there, if you please?
without being aware of the text in question - as far as im concerned the colours aren't really 'stages of consciousness,' but stages of compliance.
what’s presented as 'beige transcendence' in your text probably relates to those who casually accept it on face value when crooks call, say, an alleged 'pandemic' on very little legit evidence.
(in fairness, 'compliance' is probably too simplistic a term as it relates to carrying out orders as well as having other people carry out your 'adopted' will)
And what about the 'compliance' of 'crooks' who mean well? Thinking of Beck and the many global leaders he influenced, like Mandela. Perhaps Mandela was a crook, but did Beck know this? I don't take Beck as a crook, but perhaps a compliant idealist.
I suppose it's irrelevant, but still, it helps me to understand this architecture of control by relating it to people and situations I am personally familiar with. Some of the compliant learned from the Convid, but most did not, still. I think 'consensus trance' is apt, but that would assume when the consensus shifts, the trance will shift with it. This seems like a moral failing to me, but as you've written which is in line with Spiral Dynamics model as I understand it, is the morality shifts with the meme. My morality is already passe, along with the next tier's, having been 'transcended', but not included.
There is really much of interest in your writings, but I am afraid that you underestimate "the system": it's not rational, but criminal. Marx was wrong, but Bogdanov too: its not industrial capitalist, resp. administrators etc, its the criminal 500 year old project by financial capitalist organized by a few dynastic families, to own and exploit the planet as their Farm Earth. For the burden of proof see my book and articles.
Regards, Mees Baaijen - https://thepredatorsversusthepeople.substack.com/
I believe these administrators are the tool of these criminals but seeing their technique is astounding. The clearinghouse model esc has shown bears a direct line from Rothschild
Yes Rothschild, is a ‘clearinghouse’ structure also, they underwrite/ insure banks, more than administer them, keeping the risk/ overheads low. Just a little family business y’know
Lawlessness is indeed the nature of using structures of service as means for control.
The progressive growth of which is the obverse to the faith invested in structure as control that we see as social, economic, political and scientific development.
Insider leverage by stealth is itself running as if a 'mind of its own'.
I got a lot from The Lost Science Of Money ~ The Mythology Of Money : The Story Of Power by Stephen A. Zarlenga
Deserves billions of views, alas. Can I posit the CIA as an example of this ‘network turned control’ system?
Removing all the accounting rules ,laws and acts like Glass-Steagall ,Anti-Trust ETC. just mite have changed and sped up the time table for collapse,,,,,,,, primary entities buying and selling stock market indices, causing the stock market moves, are the individuals who control the economy,Blackrock ETC. including the Federal Reserve. These entities profit from market volatility and manipulate stock prices to maintain volatility, even when the country's economic situation might be stable. They invest when prices rise, causing them to go up further, and withdraw when prices fall, making the markets crash. Additionally, mainstream financial media is controlled to trigger rumors and crises at will, generating panic and bringing about crashes
here are some ideas to implement locally as we dismiss this fraudulent system for good: ‘’An Alternative Approach to Well-Being’’
SCOPE
Effective healing modalities and approaches to health and well-being exist, while numerous local communities remain afflicted with the costs of ‘learned hopelessness and helplessness’. Co-op Lab is a process where local people can unfold the common desire for health and well-being through the power of cooperation. By choosing to exchange their skills, time and knowledge in projects with like-mind folk - ‘’birds-of-a-feather’’ - they create social value by providing local services better and cheaper.
In effect, members embrace the power of co-operation as a mission arising from shared vision and values. This new mindset supports balanced, creative exchanges between local people. So, the structure of a new ‘Market-Space’ is formed, founded on mutual trust, common sense and real values. A platform where stress can reduce as enjoyment unfolds from clarity of purpose to support individual and collective healing.
OPERATION
The Co-op Lab process unfolds as networks of private member associations form local hub guilds to provide and deliver local goods and services. Placing ‘’well-being’’ as the ‘’main attraction’’, ensures common ground for the process to unfold with local ‘community champions’ combining their expertise in executive and non-executive Boards.
Of course, this form of local joint venture requires analysis, discussion and agreement to unfold a working model as ideas and resources are pooled in service to local needs and aspirations. Key operational issues relate to:
• assembling the local ‘champions’ - ‘Board’ members with non-executive support
• producing an operational financial model for labour, materials and equipment
• identifying lines of supply, demand and distribution for goods and services
• developing business plans and prospectuses for support and investment
• agreeing to follow parallel critical paths to unfold core strategic needs:
◦ expand services for well-being across inter-related hub guild pma networks
◦ identify all labour, materials, equipment and funding requirements en route
◦ ensure relevant media and marketing resources are available in support
◦ provide ‘think-and-do tank’ teams for essential research and development
◦ develop the Co-op Lab platform incrementally into a collective ‘Market-Space’
PRODUCING A BUSINESS PLAN & PROSPECTUS TO PROVE CONCEPT
• contractual terms as the basis for a co-operative hub guild network:
◦ quality control and provision of space for production and distribution
◦ local producers, suppliers, consultants tutors, students and consumers
◦ staffing, training, repairing, maintaining, insuring, discussing, assessing
• marketing:
◦ ‘umbrella’ branding of vision - values - mission - methodology
◦ clarity of opportunities with case studies and operational models
◦ pathways and services available to enable balanced growth
◦ on-line presence with websites plus video, audio, blog/vlog, conference
• network growth:
◦ price uniformity and quality assurance in provision of goods and services
◦ cross-sector hub guild support and collaboration between ‘sub-contractors’
◦ sales & marketing support for projects, joint ventures, premises and equipment
◦ outreach provision to homes, groups, businesses and all related organisations
Essential Financial, Management & Development Issues
• opportunities for pma members to ‘self-fund’ as owner-producer-supplier-consumers
• contractual terms & obligations founded on pma member’s oath ‘to do no harm’
• common income-expenditure basis for cash flow recording and allocations
• cross-fertilisation of interrelated hub guilds - sports, arts, food, farming, media etc.
• aggregation of production and purchasing power across lines of supply and demand
• development of critical mass seeking real social value in:
◦ economies of scale as networks ‘self-supply’ education, employment & training
◦ increasing savings to public expenditure from community ‘’self-governance’’
◦ tax-exemptions for related investment, donation/barter of goods and services
◦ ‘laundering’ debt as knowledge exchanges generate debt-free local currency
◦ development of assets, goods and services founded on loyalty to real values
◦ prospectuses for investment in specific hub guilds and/or project portfolios
More at https://peterforrest.substack.com
For sure we need like-minded folk to unfold ''the conversation never had''