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Patricia's avatar

This is uplifting. I think you are on to something with your suggestions. A couple of weeks back, in conversation, I questioned how the models had any chance of predicting climate when it is such a enormously complex and poorly understood system and my client ended the conversation immediately with 'this is going over my head'. I made a note to develop the argument for use in the future.

esc's avatar

They can’t. It’s complete and utter hogwash. I went through how absurd the claims are in the post on climate moidelling because computationally, it’s a complete fools errand. And Nikita Moiseev knew in the 70s already, yet persisted. See ‘Planetary Boundaries’ in that regard. But further, in ‘The Missing Link’ I put together around 15 facts related and when you consider them as a whole, there’s no way it isn’t fraud. Absolutely no way.

Patricia's avatar

Exactly. It seems to me the average working man especially blue collar instinctively know it is all b/s - harder to get through to women though - I guess they are more inclined to fall prey to the empathy trap.

esc's avatar

I like the Navier-Stokes simulation for that reason. Stop the clip, ask people to forward predict what comes next, and then continue the simulation.

Then, as they accept the failed to predict it even 5 seconds ahead of time, remind them that climate modelling is almost infinitely more complex, and simulated steps have a time granularity in minutes.

Claiming we can forward predict decades in advance is fraud, and that’s why no one allegedly credentialed will enter an honest debate in that regard.

Patricia's avatar

I previously looked on Youtube for a clip of the Navier-Stokes simulation but there are several - which one do you think is best?

esc's avatar

The one I attached in the post under ‘weak point #1’

John Taylor's avatar

According to Jura Lina's book "Under the Sign of the Scorpion," per little or no resistence, they'd cut a man's dick and balls off, shuff it in their mouth and leave them on the side of the road. Hell, all the state patrols have to do is sit on the side of the road and men are peeing their panties of whether one or two pirates will use excessive sports and throw them on the ground and take them to jail. I mean fucking cruiser with lights can control hundreds if not thousands of people traveling down the intersate? Why cowards. Here's the solution. You see one LEO having someone pulled and the rule is they stop and politely tell the pirate to go on his way or...

Indrek Sarapuu's avatar

Every time I read the term "modelling", it's BS, because it's "modelling".

Truman Verdun's avatar

A concise and well-organized summation of your ongoing investigation into the maneuvers and deceptions aimed at increased centralized control. The updating of Plato's Cave analogy is creative and apt.

Thanks for this useful framework for thinking and discussion--and serious discussion is, as you rightfully observe (and as Gustave Le Bon noted back in 1895), invariably verboten.

What tyrants most fear is the bubble of their prestige getting popped. Best, TV

Spek's avatar

You said,

“ How to exploit it: Don't argue about whether ‘climate change’ is happening. Ask why systems too complex to model accurately become grounds for irreversible institutional changes. Ask why model uncertainty never leads to policy uncertainty. Ask why the same modeling institutions that failed to predict the 2008 financial crisis are trusted to predict planetary systems decades into the future.

Watch how quickly you get labeled a ‘climate denier’ rather than getting technical answers. Watch how even alleged ‘climate historians’ begin throwing juvenile insults your way, refusing to respond to otherwise solid arguments.”

This reader’s reply,

Brilliant. Thank you.

All the best to you.

John Taylor's avatar

How about nature is in control and we don't need you.

Spek's avatar

Works for me.😬

Tired of Globalists's avatar

Very strong analysis. The "AI Cave" has been in effect for many many years as I've pinpointed the birth of artificial super intelligence (ASI) back in 1993.

https://tiredofglobalists.substack.com/p/what-if-artificial-super-intelligence

esc's avatar

I typically consider Spinoza, Bogdanov and Koestler key nodes in a more historical context, with PPBS being the moment of implementation because it ultimately comes down to future prediction through static input parameters. Spinoza’s experience is ultimately about prediction, where the excuse for failure is lack of (surveillance data) detail this calling for more finely granular data as input.

AI, in essence, isn’t intelligent. It’s just pattern recognition, ultimately, where the crucial insight in 2017 relates to word relativity as opposed to absolutes. It’s clever, sure, but not really intelligent.

But it’s sadly good enough to control ‘Spaceship Earth’.

You know, Cannot Name It's avatar

**T9 Formula:** intelligence is reduced to autocomplete — the more inputs, the sharper the prediction, and even this sub-mind is enough to run the planet.

Jim Davidson's avatar

Plato was a really terrible person. He hated freedom. He hated independent people. His ideal society is not a republic though he lies and calls it one. He knows that the noble lie is a lie and that there is no special nobility but he doesn't care. He wants everyone enslaved to a hierarchy and he wants the top of the hierarchy to believe they are better than everyone else and deserve more of everything. Plato doesn't have the guy who sees sunlight return to the cave a hero because Plato is against heroism and wants the chained prisoners to beat the escapee to death. So, I don't begin with the enthusiasm that other authors seem to have for Plato and his devices.

There is no legitimate authority for any central bank. They are all liars, frauds, and perverts. The central banks are created to finance wars. The war profiteers are demon worshipping cannibal rapists. Ending them should be the goal of all discussions of central banks which are evil.

The system isn't interested in your "democratic mandate" for change. It has plenty of methods for manufacturing votes and getting 98% of incumbents re-elected even with 8% approval of them. To the people who own and operate it the system isn't broken and in need of reform, it is operating as designed. It is designed for their profit. They don't care if you don't consent.

It is nice to see some discussion of effective strategies for bypassing the algorithms and some of the idea-bots. Even so, the other side has far more people willing to sell out and write the astroturf ideological screeds, make a thousand posts and ten thousand notes, to purport that there is popular support for their policy plans. I do appreciate your strategies and tactics. It has been a very long war, and I am very tired.

esc's avatar

these aren't necessarily the final arguments used to drive a keel into the structure. but, hopefully, some will identify the issues, and use these to prepare even better arguments which cannot be trivially dismissed.

i think you'll find that once the arguments have been polished and destilled, then it quite frankly won't matter how many corrupt bastards work 'the other side', because all in all, it's an absolute minority.

look at facebook, with all its incessant bought and paid for MSM outlets, attempting to stoke fear of pathetic 'covid variants'. everyone is just mocking the attempts at this stage, no-one takes it seriously.

if this same pattern is ultimately replicated wrt the core structure itself, then the game is up. and, sure, we're all tired. but it's not time to rest quite yet.

Jim Davidson's avatar

I understand the need to keep going. We shall overcome. Probably not today, though.

No, I have not looked at Failbook since 2021 when I was logged out. I didn’t log myself out, but I am not logging back in. Good that the hoax stream media is being mocked, that is a bright shiny positive thing about which I didn’t know.

John Taylor's avatar

"Now the same template governs everything. Environmental policy gets ‘subsidiary’ to global institutions because climate is allegedly planetary." No contradiction here while spraying 7g aluminum dust you breath and settles in your bone marrow for them to tether your body to the cloud! Where do these monster get the audacity to even think like this? Oh! I know why! Geneva Switzerland bankers and their two, three or four acronyms like the UN, it's world military NATO, WHO, WEO and CERN and others!

You know, Cannot Name It's avatar

What strikes me here is not the general picture — the mechanics of “decentralization that centralizes,” or ethics manufactured to fit institutions, are already obvious. Where it gets sharper for me is in the framing: calling out Hans Küng’s decades-long campaign as the deliberate engineering of a “global ethic” — that exposes the artificiality in a way that ordinary moral critiques don’t. Same with central banks: I’ve long seen them as financial cores of power, but not as openly stepping into the role of moral architects. When Carney moves from Bank governance to planetary ethics, the mask slips. The Fabian report makes that even clearer: bypassing parliaments is not theory, it’s capture.

Where I hesitate is in the loop you draw — models → ethics → clearing houses → central banks. Yes, it’s a cycle, but if the real hinge is the banks, then maybe the weak point is not just technical limits or moral artifices, but the very fact that finance is pretending to be philosophy. I’d like to press there: why is it always bankers who end up writing the script for ethics, climate, and democracy? That feels like the most intolerable inversion.

Frances Leader's avatar

It seems obvious to me that democratic governance is a tired old illusion.

When you instruct us to challenge the status quo I am curious....

To whom do we address these arguments?

The people who control the central banking system don't populate social media and, more is the pity, their names are not known by the general public.

The international aristocratic crime syndicate doesn't care what we think.

They are doing it anyway!

StealthVonDerFakeName's avatar

Oh, but they do care what we think - b/c they all know what happened during the French Revolution, and they are terrified that a united and enraged public has the numbers to do that to them (though our current level of division certainly makes them sleep easier on that matter). This is why you see Hegseth pimping his new drone army in his latest infomercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsYaNM8GAhw) - these are meant for ALL OF US; their last ditch effort to stave off their final undoing.

For me, I plan to address these arguments to all of my extended family members who seem hopelessly asleep at the wheel. Though my hope is low (as no amount of argument or evidence has shaken them from their slumber so far), I won't give up for the simple fact that my kids (and all of the children in the coming generations) DO NOT DESERVE ANY OF THIS!

Frances Leader's avatar

Revolutions are always led by the predator class. If ‘they’ want one, ‘they’ will organise it….. but if ‘they’ don’t, you can be sure that normies will never get it together to revolt. The French Revolution was entirely led by a Jesuit vanguard - history is not an accurate record of reality.

Good luck in your attempt to educate your family.

John Taylor's avatar

And now they have NATO.

Steve Spurrell's avatar

They absolutely do care what we think; it is the foundation of all their power.

Ultimately, power lies with those who act. As long as the bulk of the population believe the lies we are told, they will continue to act in accordance with the will of those who perpetrate the deception.

It takes an enormous amount of time to energy to maintain the illusion which keeps the majority mentally enslaved. Breaking these chains will quite literally destroy the whole edifice.

"To whom do we address these arguments?"

Anyone who will listen!

Frances Leader's avatar

Why would a trillionaire care what we think?

They are implementing their plan regardless.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/6QJFj4OLXBFj/

Steve Spurrell's avatar

They are not implementing their plan; they are telling other people to do it.

Trillionaires are only able to get people to do their bidding because those people believe they are doing what is right.

If enough of us see through the deception, and start living outside the control grid, these fortunes will be as useful as monopoly money.

We are straying dangerously close to the point where we cannot survive without bowing to the will of these psychopaths, but we aren't there yet.

John Taylor's avatar

Yes, and that includes the order follower street pirates who can kill you @ will as they are highly militarized.

Corona Studies's avatar

Strictly speaking, we are implementing the 'global elite' through our habit of outsourcing all thinking and social organisation to others, who we also make exempt from normal, everyday morality.

John Taylor's avatar

Geneva Switzerland banksters.

Geoffrey Robertson's avatar

As I see it, the biggest challenge we face in helping our peers to recognize the mechanisms and the heirarchy of control, is that the vast majority of people have perpetually outsourced their thinking to "the experts" and lack both the capability and the desire to think for themselves. It's an observation that I make practically every day, and expecting them to put in the effort that it takes to truly understand that the emporer really is naked seems futile. Tragically, unless it can all be condensed into a meme or a riveting television series, I have little hope that the truth will ever prevail.

Andrew Teece's avatar

Some borderline genius level insight in this essay. Well done - it's a very impressive piece.

Corona Studies's avatar

I feel the theory of morphic resonance might also have a role to play in all of this. Every TV watcher is essentially being used as a pen to energetically write a fake reality into the morphic field.

Oh look, I even made a film about it :)

https://odysee.com/@CoronaStudies:3/CS-Cosmic-Dogma:e

Jack Boulay's avatar

The Paradox of Plato's Cave

If Plato's analogy of the cave is true and everything we think we know about the world is but an illusory shadow play upon a wall in some analogous subterranean cavern, then the shadow play, the cave, the wall, the shadow puppeteers, Plato, and even we the captive audience are all also mere illusory shadows flickering across the wall of said cave.

matt Arnold's avatar

And the house always wins

Mike Moschos's avatar

it turns out the American history re central banking here is more complicated, the original Fed itself was decentralized with regional monetary policy, and beyond even just that, the USA's local capital structures, which could resist the forces of the Center to an extent, persisted and were actually strengthened in a democratic rear guard action in 1956, we didnt get to where we are now until the so called Neoliberal Era in the latter 1970s and early 1980s (with some last miles finally occurring circa 2000)

esc's avatar

the federal reserve is essentially a carbon copy of the london bank clearinghouse model which placed the Bank of England at the apex.

the BIS then replicated the same pattern, globally.

Julius Wolf and Alfred de Rothschild are all over this mess.

https://escapekey.substack.com/p/own-nothing-control-everything

Mike Moschos's avatar

it *technically* didnt actually have a monopoly on currency during its first couple of decades in that way, because US Notes were still more of a thing than is commonly reported, and then the Fed itself had regional notes, but the key thing was the local capital structures

esc's avatar

the bank of england didn't technically have one until 1920 either. but that's besides the point, because the central mechanism relates to the clearance mechanism.

Mike Moschos's avatar

But that misses how the economic and political-economic strcutures of America at the time actualy worked, it had multiple coexisting forms of money, US Notes, Silver Certificates, Gold Certificates, National Bank Notes, and regional Fed Notes. It also had a heterogeneous and regionally anchored capital structure, including S&Ls, Mutuals, and state chartered banks (and I would go o far as to include state level usury laws in this mix as well) governed by distinct and branching restrictions. This meant that even if the Fed played a growing role in interbank clearance, it did not dominate credit creation, capital allocation, or the shape of financial flows in the way the Fed (and other things, but its really just the coordinated network of networks of people/groups that project themselves through those institutional phase spaces) does today

esc's avatar

The point is that the clearing hierarchy is the control mechanism. The Fed was modeled on the London Bankers' Clearing House, and once it became the apex of interbank settlement, the real power structure was in place—regardless of the diversity of circulating currencies. The eventual elimination of competing forms of money wasn’t a policy decision so much as a structural inevitability. Control over clearing = control over the system.

Mike Moschos's avatar

if you want to argue that things related to banking/finance back then helped set the stage (and maybe even granted certain actors the power to make sure that the needed big actions would happen later) for where we are now, then I agree, I’m just saying the System we had set up in the 1830s didnt actually end until some point after WW2 (but weirdly the current System still pretends to be it, so much of its key architecture is actually there, just sorta nullified)

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John Taylor's avatar

Per the Clearfield Doctrine, it the government uses FRNs, then it loses it's sovereignty and is a mere corporation. I think they also issue bonds on bond paper to be released from jail and they accept FRNs from the so-called issurer the defendent who never harmed anyone when speeding. Does the government have a security license? I think not. And that homo/pedephile administrative judge is not an expert in statutes and codes. Piracy @ its finest using letters of marque and reprisal to board a vessel for the booty!