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oh i get it (i think) - Zuboff wants to tame the private system by embedding it in a steering framework legitimised by thr public

and that requires a clearinghouse to negotiate between public and private... yeah i see where this is going.

that was fun.

https://escapekey.substack.com/p/own-nothing-control-everything?utm_source=publication-search

this was an interesting read. i disagree about it being 'capitalism'... more like 'inclusive capitalism'... but interesting nevertheless

https://thebaffler.com/latest/capitalisms-new-clothes-morozov

Karen's avatar

Keep hiding Mr Esc-Key (good handle by the way!)

esc's avatar

what's interesting here is that you're not the least bit interested in what the clearinghouse is up to in this equation.

it traces back to the London Bank Clearinghouse system, and the Bank of England, incidentally.

the same Bank of England which was described as essentially already perfect in the PEP pamphlet demanding a fundamental restructure of the British economy in the early 1930s around the clearinghouse model.

https://escapekey.substack.com/p/freedom-and-planning?utm_source=publication-search

TriTorch's avatar

Picture this, if you haven't already ESC: the PCR tests were a lot of things, but among the main ones was to harvest everyone's DNA.

This was their gold mine because among other things which i wont go into, they are using people's genetic dispositions fused with the virtual version of themselves (the totality of every data point ever collected) to determine their future actions.

Surveyllance capitalism on steriods and all fed into:

Apex Game Theory Meet the Sentient World Simulator: Where A Version of U is Acting Out Ur Life: https://old.bitchute.com/video/RP73kmMz64Vc [12mims]

Selling ulrra-targeted advertising is the happy-go-lucky aspect of this. What it is really about is sinister beyond words.

You probably already know all this and way more, thank you for being a watcher on the wall, ESC

esc's avatar

you'll want to look into DNA Digital Storage.

https://dnastoragealliance.org/

TriTorch's avatar

Alas, no time. What are your thoughts on DNA being an antenna?

inte23 ou Dam's's avatar

It's crazy how this gang, this mobster clique, manages to fool the whole world under the guise of respectability.

It's all smoke and mirrors, a hoax, a real scam! It's obvious, and yet it works so easily ^^

Karen's avatar

I ask again, Mr. Escape Key - what are you escaping from? What are your demons? What are you trying to explain to us? You are using AI to create a facscimile of reality and who is buying it?

Short answers will no longer suffice. You are a pretender.

esc's avatar

oh ok, that must be why i go on podcasts and speak about this for 3 hours.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/esc-142012854

https://youtu.be/JhxBl1_S0Tk

John Day MD's avatar

You sound like a moderately articulate human, as opposed to the AI-like compositions in your posts, which are sharper and more sterile.

esc's avatar

well, i'm hardly going to go through comments repeatedly in an effort to polish, especially ones in a quasi-flame war!

but i've never hid the fact that i offload spelling and grammar to AI. english is not my first language. have a look at some of the first essays i wrote, i couldn't be bothered polishing them. then i began polishing the essays, and found that it took tons of time i could use better elsewhere.

but if these are "all ai" then all this content would be elsewhere, all the connections highlighted by others. but i don't see many others applying the systems analysis lens to reverse engineering global governance, which is fundamentally what i've done since minute one.

and i don't see many, if any, draw the connections that i do tbqh. i regularly throw my essays through upwards of 10 AIs to ensure they're rock solid before publishing, and as part of that, frequently ask them to check for the same content, the same arguments made elsewhere. while parts may exist, the full picture is rarely located elsewhere.

as for 'karen', she inspired me to write the most recent essay on Zuboff, which has then led me to investigate Piketty. and - oh boy - does Piketty hit the mark. does he ever. so in a strange kind of way, i'm somewhat thankful she persisted.

Karen's avatar

Any one of us can speak for three hours about what we know and not hide it beyond a paywall

esc's avatar

except there's no hiding behind a paywall.

Karen's avatar

I listened then and am listening now. Show your face and say your name.

esc's avatar

everything is linked impeccably. who i am does not matter whatsoever.

anyway, i just noticed something interesting about one of Zuboff's books due to this exchange.

Karen's avatar

Of course who you are matters. Your words come from you. If you do not understand that, you have totally lost the plot. THE WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THAT PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS, MATTER. If you are still just pretending to believe that you are just a coward.

John Day MD's avatar

But it really, really seemed to be a human speaking. The "voice" was very different from the AI-type "voice" in the blog posts, but not unlike the "voice" in the comments section.

John Day MD's avatar

It is possible to use AI as a refined search engine, without "being" AI or even an "asshole".

I also notice the appearance of AI being used in the composition of these posts, but the content seems appropriate.

There is a certain political slant apparent, but one might hold that in mind while using what appears to be factual analysis and organization.

Kittykat's avatar

The book The Creature from Jekyll island describes central banking fiat currency system as moving toward socialism and totalitarian in nature. Once a central bank is installed in a nation the role government is transforms from a representative of citizens to an agent of the banks. No public input into this drastic change. Governments and central banks are the beneficiaries. Government vastly expands its power and reach, banks set the agenda. Taxation is not actually necessary because the system creates money from nothing. Rather the purpose of taxation is control and redistribution. It’s central planning. The primary source of wealth comes from expanding the money supply and socializing the cost. It is crucial for people to understand the system that actually rules us. The rest is noise and distraction. People argue over what system they would like socialism v capitalism. but in fact there is no choice and democracy is a fraud. They decide what we get and the managerial state implements.

Karen's avatar

Let me rephrase that: you are a fraud through and through

esc's avatar

oh ok

Thumbnail Green's avatar

Let me rephrase - you are a spook fuckwit AND a Karen. If a clown and a narcissist loved each other very much the would have a tiny Karen baby.

Karen's avatar

You're a fucking fraud

esc's avatar

oh ok

John Day MD's avatar

Ad hominem attacks do not address the core material presented, and are not a form of debate.

Karen's avatar

Such a poseur you are

Karen's avatar

Esc is an AI-powered fraud

esc's avatar

look at that desperation

Zuboff's books essentially advocate the clearinghouse model which I've traced back to the London Bank Clearinghouse, which benefited the Bank of England, and was later fused into the Bank for International Settlements via the 1892 template proposed by Julius Wolf.

the one I have continuously warned about.

John Day MD's avatar

Either AI or "asshole", Madam, but not both, because one is a person and one is not.

Karen's avatar

Read through Esc-Key is a fraud. Maybe overseen by a human but I doubt it very much.

Don't cry too much, at least you know Karen's name

esc's avatar

well, i suppose i should thank you. i read the book but never really looked deeply into Zubuff until now.

i now realise she's yet another practitioner of inversion, who recommends the corrupt clearinghouse model without being honest about it.

might do a swift write-up.

Karen's avatar

The only way you could do a "swift write-up" is if you are an asshole.

esc's avatar

challenge accepted

Karen's avatar

Esc says: "my primary sources trump your claims of identity with ease. Enough of this nonsense"

HAHAHA no you don't MR-AI

esc's avatar

that's "mr AI who goes on 3-hour podcasts with a speech impediment" to you.

Crixcyon's avatar

Why do I need to be governed by anyone? I cannot think of one reason.

Karen's avatar

Just so everyone who is reading this essay is clear: my name is Karen Parker Feld and I live in Kensington New Hampshire. Karen is my given name, but it is not who I am. I come from a family of men, and am a warrior. Most importantly, I have nothing to hide. Mr Esc-Key is hiding behind an identity that he cannot defend.

esc's avatar

i have no idea what you're trying to achieve, but i would advice anyone with common sense to delete that.

my primary sources trump your claims of identity with ease.

enough of this nonsense.

Karen's avatar

I have no claims. I am establishing my identity and trustworthiness, unlike you

esc's avatar

yeah, well, i tend to prefer sourcing of pivotal claims. i do check those when people make a significant claim. that's why i called out frances leader's committee of 300 sourced horse manure.

in that regard i couldn't care less about who you are.

Karen's avatar

Here's a funny thing about Substack: It's a great learning platform but unlike all others in the past, there is asymmetry. Usually the subscribers (aka students) are known to the authors (aka teachers). But now some authors/teachers are unwilling to be known to their students.

esc's avatar

ok, 'Karen'

Karen's avatar

That's a cheap shot that has no meaning, as you know. Please try harder

esc's avatar

ok, 'Karen'

Karen's avatar

Why are you so afraid of? Do you really think you are going to overturn the massive systems of control you have described with your mere words? Talk about yawning!

esc's avatar

desperate

Karen's avatar

I am not a bot - so I raise this comment to your level of stupidity, and repeat it:

OF COURSE it matters who you are. Your words (supposedly) come from you. If you do not understand that, you have totally lost the plot. The whole conversation is that people, individuals matter. If you are still only implying that you believe it you are a coward. Otherwise you are a fraud.

Thumbnail Green's avatar

Double yawn for the intel incel

Karen's avatar

Cause you're so smart, right? That's what people do in the trenches - alternating between boredom and terror

esc's avatar

i've stated repeatedly why.

you just refuse to accept it. apparently, whether i'm white, or black, or blue or green is very very important to my densely sourced essays.

lol

Karen's avatar

Truth will out, eventually. Show your face and name, Mr Esc-Key. You're all about the unveiling, and what would be the purpose of that? To empower people? To give them a reason to "fight"? And toward what purpose? What would that fight look like? Would you be in the trenches with us? That would be useful, since apparently you know the map. You could be a comrade, or a coward. We would find out, once you join us. Or are you just revealing how powerless we are against systems of control?

esc's avatar

thanks for the hint.

i reckon she's advocating an indicator-based regime, but without saying that's the necessary infrastructure.

Karen's avatar

I am offering no hints - I have never met her. I read her book ten years ago. That's why this is so simple. Rather than user her words in your language. Show your face

esc's avatar

you 'forgot' to reply to my comment above. her book includes virtually none of the fabric i've discovered.

i fail to spot her connecting the financial backbone to this. it's essentially all about corporations.

that's sort of like lenin and trotsky who could perform competent investigations of the economy, but 'forgot' to consider what role the central bank might have - apart from identifying it as a source of power in lenin's case.

such a coincidence.